Robert Merrill and other baritones

On Jul 8, 10:50 am, "REG" <Richer....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> THAT's a very provinical comment, actually.
>
> PS I think Ira Siff, when he sings with his 'other' voice, is a baritone.
>
> "Mark" <mark.clave....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>
> > LDM, I think what the OP really meant to say was "Baritones who only
> > sing in New York City". :-o

Yes, a provincial comment, made on purpose to prove a point. Thanks
for noticing!
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It wasn't meant as nasty to you, just to be clear (and I don't think your
response is, either.) And it wasn't about Charlie.

I just think that the issue of "New York" versus the rest of the world
(assuming there is one, he said non-inflammatorily) is overdone, and I don't
have a lot of patience with that particular point.

Best
"Mark" <mark.clavecin.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jul 8, 10:50 am, "REG" <Richer....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> THAT's a very provinical comment, actually.
>>
>> PS I think Ira Siff, when he sings with his 'other' voice, is a baritone.
>>
>> "Mark" <mark.clave....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>>
>> > LDM, I think what the OP really meant to say was "Baritones who only
>> > sing in New York City". :-o
>
> Yes, a provincial comment, made on purpose to prove a point. Thanks
> for noticing!
>
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On Jul 8, 12:41 pm, Mark <mark.clave....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> I understand what you mean, REG, but there ARE singers who do not sing
> in New York who have major opera careers.

Yes, and many of them are on your 'only NY-Performers list'.

>I think that was LDM's
> point.

Alas, her only "point" is the apex of her skull, much like yourself.

Tsk...tsk.......


> On Jul 8, 12:32 pm, "REG" <Richer....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > It wasn't meant as nasty to you, just to be clear (and I don't think your
> > response is, either.) And it wasn't about Charlie.
>
> > I just think that the issue of "New York" versus the rest of the world
> > (assuming there is one, he said non-inflammatorily) is overdone, and I don't
> > have a lot of patience with that particular point.

It's only resorted to br NY-hating xenophobes, as we've seen here time
and again.


> > Best

"Mark" <mark.clave....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:1183906851.182305.219930@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > On Jul 8, 10:50 am, "REG" <Richer....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> THAT's a very provinical comment, actually.
>
> > >> PS I think Ira Siff, when he sings with his 'other' voice, is a baritone.
>
> > >> "Mark" <mark.clave....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >> > LDM, I think what the OP really meant to say was "Baritones who only
> > >> > sing in New York City". :-o
>
> > > Yes, a provincial comment, made on purpose to prove a point. Thanks
> > > for noticing!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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On Jul 8, 5:35 pm, "REG" <Richer....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I believe that Stracciari and Litisian were on the list, although we can ask
> Charlie to reprint it if he'd be good enough to do so. I doubt seroiusly
> that he is selling much of those artists, so it's once again just a kind of
> abusive accusation about his motivations, and Ed's.
>
> He may well want to get his name out in front of people very often, but he
> surely couldn't do it without your help and responses. If you think he's a
> troll, you do a classic job of feeding him and then complaining that he
> keeps coming back for more, and then advertising that he's selling their
> (sic) recordings.

That's the Boll-tone System, as demonstrated by the absurd beatings of
the same broken drum only cared about by itself.

'ljo'/Boll is, however inadvertently, CH's most devoted helper.


> You could always post about operatic topics yourself.
>
> Right?

Alas -
Wrong, given that 'ljo' has consistently less than zero to say about
Opera; In fact, its sole, if soulless, purpose here is to embarrass
itself by polluting, lying, then turning around and accusing its
countless betters of doing so.

L. Credit Where Due T.

> "ljo" <seniorcubrepor....DeleteThis@earthlink.net> flatulated its usual, mindless, twisted trash........
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On Jul 8, 11:54 am, "L. Credit Where Due T." <lnrd_tl... DeleteThis @yahoo.com>
wrote and wrote and wrote and wrote and wrote and wrote

Wow, Loonard! 9 nastygrams in a row! What a tour de force! You sure
haven't lost that 'ole Tillman Touch!
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On 8 Jul, 06:35, <Gregory> wrote:
> Simon Keenlyside!!!
>
> The finest lyrcial baritone of his generation. Wonderful and charismatic
> voice of amazing quality.
>
> Greg
>
> "Elektra" <CharlesHandel....DeleteThis@cs.com> schrieb im Newsbeitragnews:1183872105.943099.295330@c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On 8 Jul, 01:04, "premiereop...@aol.com" <edop....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Jul 8, 12:42 am, Elektra <CharlesHandel....DeleteThis@cs.com> wrote:
>
> >> > In my mention of the singing of our National Anthem by Robert Merrill,
> >> > as heard today at Yankee Stadium Old Timers' Day, I mentioned that
> >> > Merrill must be included in a list of the most gorgeous baritone
> >> > voices. I asked for the possible names of others in this class.Here
> >> > are some candidates in my opinion:
>
> >> > Pavel Lisitsian
> >> > Dmitri Hvorostovsky
> >> > Thomas Quasthoff
> >> > Riccardo Stracciari
> >> > John Charles Thomas
>
> >> > your list???? CH
>
> >> My list would include the above, but add Tibbett and Bastianini.
> >> Still, for me, Merrill will always be #1 for sheer vocal beauty.
>
> >> Ed
>
> > Yes Ed..BASTIANINI was a fabulous baritone...the sheer
> > quality.....similar to Dmitri....and there are others..but these
> > mentioned stand out..ch- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I add STEPHANE DEGOUT..Mercutio in recent Met Romeo..I am seeing the
Flute next yr.SPECIFICALLY for his Papageno....I also forgot JEAN
BORTHAYRE in my list....ch
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On 8 Jul, 09:40, Terry Simmons <tlste....DeleteThis@tpgi.com.au> wrote:
> In article <1183869747.919464.240....DeleteThis@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Elektra <CharlesHandel....DeleteThis@cs.com> wrote:
> > In my mention of the singing of our National Anthem by Robert Merrill,
> > as heard today at Yankee Stadium Old Timers' Day, I mentioned that
> > Merrill must be included in a list of the most gorgeous baritone
> > voices. I asked for the possible names of others in this class.Here
> > are some candidates in my opinion:
>
> > Pavel Lisitsian
> > Dmitri Hvorostovsky
> > Thomas Quasthoff
> > Riccardo Stracciari
> > John Charles Thomas
>
> > your list???? CH
>
> A good list. I'd add Peter Dawson, Benjamin Luxon and Thomas Allen. Also
> Hampson, in terms of voice quality only.

Thanks..nice to know you appreciate lists..as do most others..ch


Now for the UGLY baritones.

Leiferkus
Leiferkus
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and
Leiferkus
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I understand what you mean, REG, but there ARE singers who do not sing
in New York who have major opera careers. I think that was LDM's
point.

On Jul 8, 12:32 pm, "REG" <Richer....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> It wasn't meant as nasty to you, just to be clear (and I don't think your
> response is, either.) And it wasn't about Charlie.
>
> I just think that the issue of "New York" versus the rest of the world
> (assuming there is one, he said non-inflammatorily) is overdone, and I don't
> have a lot of patience with that particular point.
>
> Best"Mark" <mark.clave....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1183906851.182305.219930@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Jul 8, 10:50 am, "REG" <Richer....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> THAT's a very provinical comment, actually.
>
> >> PS I think Ira Siff, when he sings with his 'other' voice, is a baritone.
>
> >> "Mark" <mark.clave....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >> > LDM, I think what the OP really meant to say was "Baritones who only
> >> > sing in New York City". :-o
>
> > Yes, a provincial comment, made on purpose to prove a point. Thanks
> > for noticing!
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Indirectly. I happened to name some of the baritones I'd probably be
most like likely to catch an 87 or 59 bus to see. Because I like them -
obviously not as much as I would if they were tenors - I am aware from
time to time of them singing in places beyond the reach even of London
Transport.

I just fail to see the point of making a list that contains five names
and then not expanding. It seems like throwing down a gauntlet and
asking for contradiction and ridicule. Especially when the phraseology
is poorly worded as to imply a 'accept this or else' which is quite
quite different from saying 'my two or three favourite
singers/composers/opera are....because' and giving thoughtful reasons of
why.

There's always a place for lists - I've done ones of 'the best I've seen
this year' or 'what I've booked for in the autumn' but a list just a
list does not stimulate debate, just additions and proposed subtractions
from the list. And one might as well google 'baritone' for all the
information such a list imparts.

Every time Charlie makes a list that purports to be the 'best' or 'the
greatest' or whatever, he always misses off names that are so blinkingly
obvious as to make the list meaningless.

Mark wrote:
> I understand what you mean, REG, but there ARE singers who do not sing
> in New York who have major opera careers. I think that was LDM's
> point.
>
> On Jul 8, 12:32 pm, "REG" <Richer....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> It wasn't meant as nasty to you, just to be clear (and I don't think your
>> response is, either.) And it wasn't about Charlie.
>>
>> I just think that the issue of "New York" versus the rest of the world
>> (assuming there is one, he said non-inflammatorily) is overdone, and I don't
>> have a lot of patience with that particular point.
>>
>> Best"Mark" <mark.clave....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1183906851.182305.219930@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> On Jul 8, 10:50 am, "REG" <Richer....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> THAT's a very provinical comment, actually.
>>>> PS I think Ira Siff, when he sings with his 'other' voice, is a baritone.
>>>> "Mark" <mark.clave....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> LDM, I think what the OP really meant to say was "Baritones who only
>>>>> sing in New York City". :-o
>>> Yes, a provincial comment, made on purpose to prove a point. Thanks
>>> for noticing!
>
>


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See my other comment on comparing artists. I think I just don't get the
exercise, and implicity when you make a list, you always make two lists, the
other list being the excluded artists. I suppose I am not saying anything
different than you really are. What I did think was that insofar as lists
go, his list wasn't a bad one, although interetsingly I would not put Hvor
on that list of gorgeous voices (he said, ducking).

They seen largely designed to stir controvery and response.

Not that that's the purpose, I'm sure.



"La Donna Mobile" <enidlareg2.DeleteThis@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Indirectly. I happened to name some of the baritones I'd probably be most
> like likely to catch an 87 or 59 bus to see. Because I like them -
> obviously not as much as I would if they were tenors - I am aware from
> time to time of them singing in places beyond the reach even of London
> Transport.
>
> I just fail to see the point of making a list that contains five names and
> then not expanding. It seems like throwing down a gauntlet and asking for
> contradiction and ridicule. Especially when the phraseology is poorly
> worded as to imply a 'accept this or else' which is quite quite different
> from saying 'my two or three favourite singers/composers/opera
> are....because' and giving thoughtful reasons of why.
>
> There's always a place for lists - I've done ones of 'the best I've seen
> this year' or 'what I've booked for in the autumn' but a list just a list
> does not stimulate debate, just additions and proposed subtractions from
> the list. And one might as well google 'baritone' for all the information
> such a list imparts.
>
> Every time Charlie makes a list that purports to be the 'best' or 'the
> greatest' or whatever, he always misses off names that are so blinkingly
> obvious as to make the list meaningless.
>
> Mark wrote:
>> I understand what you mean, REG, but there ARE singers who do not sing
>> in New York who have major opera careers. I think that was LDM's
>> point.
>>
>> On Jul 8, 12:32 pm, "REG" <Richer....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> It wasn't meant as nasty to you, just to be clear (and I don't think
>>> your
>>> response is, either.) And it wasn't about Charlie.
>>>
>>> I just think that the issue of "New York" versus the rest of the world
>>> (assuming there is one, he said non-inflammatorily) is overdone, and I
>>> don't
>>> have a lot of patience with that particular point.
>>>
>>> Best"Mark" <mark.clave....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:1183906851.182305.219930@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>> On Jul 8, 10:50 am, "REG" <Richer....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> THAT's a very provinical comment, actually.
>>>>> PS I think Ira Siff, when he sings with his 'other' voice, is a
>>>>> baritone.
>>>>> "Mark" <mark.clave....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> LDM, I think what the OP really meant to say was "Baritones who only
>>>>>> sing in New York City". :-o
>>>> Yes, a provincial comment, made on purpose to prove a point. Thanks
>>>> for noticing!
>>
>>
>
>
> --
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> http://www.geraldine-curtis.me.uk/photoblog/
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But, by the very nature of the Art, controversy, debate & discussion always
reigned supreme among the afficionadi - nothing really undesireable with
that. Inclusion/exclusion motivates participation - I consider that a
positive thing.

Hvor sure does have a gorgeous voice - you didn't duck quickly enough :>)))

DonPaolo
"REG" <Richergar.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> See my other comment on comparing artists. I think I just don't get the
> exercise, and implicity when you make a list, you always make two lists,
> the other list being the excluded artists. I suppose I am not saying
> anything different than you really are. What I did think was that insofar
> as lists go, his list wasn't a bad one, although interetsingly I would not
> put Hvor on that list of gorgeous voices (he said, ducking).
>
> They seen largely designed to stir controvery and response.
>
> Not that that's the purpose, I'm sure.
>
>
>
> "La Donna Mobile" <enidlareg2.RemoveThis@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:TYWdnXXLhfj_hAzbnZ2dnUVZ8tOmnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Indirectly. I happened to name some of the baritones I'd probably be
>> most like likely to catch an 87 or 59 bus to see. Because I like them -
>> obviously not as much as I would if they were tenors - I am aware from
>> time to time of them singing in places beyond the reach even of London
>> Transport.
>>
>> I just fail to see the point of making a list that contains five names
>> and then not expanding. It seems like throwing down a gauntlet and asking
>> for contradiction and ridicule. Especially when the phraseology is poorly
>> worded as to imply a 'accept this or else' which is quite quite different
>> from saying 'my two or three favourite singers/composers/opera
>> are....because' and giving thoughtful reasons of why.
>>
>> There's always a place for lists - I've done ones of 'the best I've seen
>> this year' or 'what I've booked for in the autumn' but a list just a list
>> does not stimulate debate, just additions and proposed subtractions from
>> the list. And one might as well google 'baritone' for all the information
>> such a list imparts.
>>
>> Every time Charlie makes a list that purports to be the 'best' or 'the
>> greatest' or whatever, he always misses off names that are so blinkingly
>> obvious as to make the list meaningless.
>>
>> Mark wrote:
>>> I understand what you mean, REG, but there ARE singers who do not sing
>>> in New York who have major opera careers. I think that was LDM's
>>> point.
>>>
>>> On Jul 8, 12:32 pm, "REG" <Richer....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> It wasn't meant as nasty to you, just to be clear (and I don't think
>>>> your
>>>> response is, either.) And it wasn't about Charlie.
>>>>
>>>> I just think that the issue of "New York" versus the rest of the world
>>>> (assuming there is one, he said non-inflammatorily) is overdone, and I
>>>> don't
>>>> have a lot of patience with that particular point.
>>>>
>>>> Best"Mark" <mark.clave....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> news:1183906851.182305.219930@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 8, 10:50 am, "REG" <Richer....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> THAT's a very provinical comment, actually.
>>>>>> PS I think Ira Siff, when he sings with his 'other' voice, is a
>>>>>> baritone.
>>>>>> "Mark" <mark.clave....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> LDM, I think what the OP really meant to say was "Baritones who only
>>>>>>> sing in New York City". :-o
>>>>> Yes, a provincial comment, made on purpose to prove a point. Thanks
>>>>> for noticing!
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://www.madmusingsof.me.uk/weblog/
>> http://www.geraldine-curtis.me.uk/photoblog/
>
>
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On Jul 8, 6:39 am, La Donna Mobile <enidlar... RemoveThis @btinternet.com> wrote:
> > CH clearly does not understand why he was banned by Google Groups. I
> assume that it must be because of the sheer number of complaints against
> him. He pleads ignorance of the Terms of Use, is presumably ignorant as
> to how spamming and wishing people dead are unacceptable usage, and then
> has the nerve to return as if nothing ever happened, claiming it was
> some sort of hacker.
>
>>
> - Show quoted text -

He's sick in the head, LDM. No doubt that his blind supporter, REGina
is equally sick for defending someone who wishes death on someone
else.

-Ortrud Jones
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In article <1183869747.919464.240490.TakeThisOut@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Elektra <CharlesHandelman.TakeThisOut@cs.com> wrote:

> In my mention of the singing of our National Anthem by Robert Merrill,
> as heard today at Yankee Stadium Old Timers' Day, I mentioned that
> Merrill must be included in a list of the most gorgeous baritone
> voices. I asked for the possible names of others in this class.Here
> are some candidates in my opinion:
>
> Pavel Lisitsian
> Dmitri Hvorostovsky
> Thomas Quasthoff
> Riccardo Stracciari
> John Charles Thomas
>
> your list???? CH

A good list. I'd add Peter Dawson, Benjamin Luxon and Thomas Allen. Also
Hampson, in terms of voice quality only.
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