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ljo

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 1:12 am
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I have been restoring an oldish sailboat for some little while and am almost
finished. It seems proper to give her a nice shiny new name and I have been
considering opera character names as possibilities. So I was googling around
to see what other owners had named their boats and I came across the case of
Mr X who had named his boat MUSETTA. His website had FAQs about his boat and
his cruising experience. To the question(s) "Why did you name the boat
"Musetta"? What does it mean?" he answered as follows:

Musetta is of Italian origin, and could possibly mean "little Muse," though
it also may refer to a musical instrument. However, we chose the name after
seeing the Puccini opera, LaBoheme. Musetta is the heroine Mimi's best
friend; she is beautiful, vivacious, and often seen accompanied by an older
man who lavishes lots of money on her - like a boat, no?
The most perfect moment in all of music, to me, is when Musetta returns to
Marcello in the second act of La Boheme. It isn't that I have listened to
enough opera, or music in general to make a statement like that. However, I
can speak of Lear as being the most perfect tragedy without having read
every single tragedies ever written, based on the intuitive perception of
merit, rather than by comparing it to other tragedies, therefore the same
with La Boheme.

I am in love with Musetta. When she screams, feigning pain, she screams in
perfect tone, with impeccable diction. When she first lightly heaves quando
m'en vo..., when the strings complement her by a wave-like motion, in that
moment when everything else is silent, Musetta has everyone charmed, she has
told us that we will sympathize with her wishes and her feelings. The
soprano, a voice most pure and lyrical, seems like the voice made for her to
corrupt with her insatiable desires. Then the voice itself seems like the
thing made for her to express her capacity for love. When she sings, we do
not hear her, or rather, we do not only hear her, but something in us
follows her every movement, every notes of the music, every fluctuation in
her breath, and her every words that we no longer understand because we have
ceased to read the supertitles.

So Musetta has left Marcello for a better life; she is not responsible. At
least, watching her, listening to her, singing As I walk through the
streets, people stop to look at me..., listening to her exult her beauty, we
are made to understand that she deserved then a better life, and that now
Marcello has no choice but to accept her return to a wretched life with
love. Musetta does not have to apologize. Musetta does not live with the
same guilt and bonds as the other girls. For when she walks through the
streets, people stop to look at her. For her beauty is supreme, and for
Puccini gave to her the most beautiful piece of music. She is become a star,
as did the legendary maiden of the mythical times by Zeus's love for them.
Shyness is foreign to beautiful Musetta, and she does not beg for anyone's
love. How wonderful is Musetta, that she does not beg for anyone's love!
That is why we love her so, for she is the embodiment of the pleasure
principle. Musetta is what the ancients called Eros.

I do not like Mimi. She is weak and she is dying. Every note she sings reeks
of impending doom, and her innocence is frightfully prophetic. Mimi's
reunion with Rodolfo is pathetic, while Musetta's reunion with Marcello is
sublime. Mimi can tell us over and over how she loves flowers, but until she
learns to love herself, she will never be quite like Musetta, and she will
continue to die over and over again at the end of the fourth act, so that
Rodolfo can cry for her, so that Colline can pawn his coat for her, and so
that Musetta may buy her a cuff.

Same is with Violetta. Who can admire a woman who will give her and her
lover's happiness so that some unknown tramp may marry some insignificant
boy? Violetta is at her best when she is debating with herself whether she
deserves to be happy or not. Musetta would debate with herself whether
others deserve to be happy at the same time as her. Any expression of joy
that escapes from Violetta's tragical lips seems feigned; any possibility of
triumph in life is weighed down by the tragedy inherent in her incurable and
ever present disease.

Carmen I like, but she still is not Musetta's equal in radiance. Carmen,
like Musetta, have a flawlessly falstaffian attitude toward life. Her mezzo
is dark and resonant and she has quite possibly the two most beautiful mezzo
arias (on second thought, that isn't possible, for Rossini has lived). But
Carmen is an idealist. She is not above dying to make a point, and she at
the end lets poor Don Jose stab her in order to show that her freedom is
absolute. In that way, Carmen, too, is diseased, although not with
consumption as is fashionable among sopranos (for she is a mezzo) but with a
naive idealism. And in addition to all that, she has no recitative.

La Boheme is an ensemble piece, with Rodolfo and Mimi as its hero and
heroine. But neither Rodolfo nor Mimi, both of which are very fascinating
and gripping characters, are allowed to dominate the opera, as Musetta, by
her brief appearances, wrestles the plot from underneath them. The greatest
crime ever committed by a man in this century maybe by Puccini, Giacosa, and
Illica, when they would not more fully exploit Musetta's character. However,
one must first understand that it is an enormous imaginative burden to
create and sustain a character like Musetta, or Sancho Panza, or Falstaff.
That is a feat seldom done, and even more seldom repeated. Meanwhile, what
we have of Musetta is enough to make us love her. In that moment when
Musetta sing what we now call Musetta's waltz, we have a glimpse of a soul
that knows neither boundaries nor apologies. We see in Musetta the
possibilities that is inherent in life.

-----------------------------------------

His next FAQ was: "How do the dogs do on the boat? How do they relieve
themselves?" But lets not get into that right now. Back to MUSETTA, I must
say that Mr X's answer discouraged me somewhat from choosing an operatic
name. It seems like a huge responsibility - maybe more than I can handle. I
hadn't really thought about the P.R. aspect of it. It now seems obvious that
people will ask me why did you choose, say, MADAME SILBERKLANG, that it
would behoove me to have a long fascinating backstory about that riveting
event. The problem with that is that over time, when a newbie asks THE
question, there will be others present who have already heard the story a
sickening number of times and will surely vomit if they have to hear it
again. Maybe I should just name it AUNT TILLY and move on. But I do find
FIDELIA tempting - so very tempting . . GRIMGERDE too.

ljo, wrestling with the big questions . .

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:19 am
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On Jun 29, 9:12 pm, "ljo" <seniorcubrepor....RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I have been restoring an oldish sailboat for some little while and am almost
> finished. It seems proper to give her a nice shiny new name and I have been
> considering opera character names as possibilities. So I was googling around
> to see what other owners had named their boats and I came across the case of
> Mr X who had named his boat MUSETTA. His website had FAQs about his boat and
> his cruising experience. To the question(s) "Why did you name the boat
> "Musetta"? What does it mean?" he answered as follows:
>
> Musetta is of Italian origin, and could possibly mean "little Muse," though
> it also may refer to a musical instrument. However, we chose the name after
> seeing the Puccini opera, LaBoheme. Musetta is the heroine Mimi's best
> friend; she is beautiful, vivacious, and often seen accompanied by an older
> man who lavishes lots of money on her - like a boat, no?
> The most perfect moment in all of music, to me, is when Musetta returns to
> Marcello in the second act of La Boheme. It isn't that I have listened to
> enough opera, or music in general to make a statement like that. However, I
> can speak of Lear as being the most perfect tragedy without having read
> every single tragedies ever written, based on the intuitive perception of
> merit, rather than by comparing it to other tragedies, therefore the same
> with La Boheme.
>
> I am in love with Musetta. When she screams, feigning pain, she screams in
> perfect tone, with impeccable diction. When she first lightly heaves quando
> m'en vo..., when the strings complement her by a wave-like motion, in that
> moment when everything else is silent, Musetta has everyone charmed, she has
> told us that we will sympathize with her wishes and her feelings. The
> soprano, a voice most pure and lyrical, seems like the voice made for her to
> corrupt with her insatiable desires. Then the voice itself seems like the
> thing made for her to express her capacity for love. When she sings, we do
> not hear her, or rather, we do not only hear her, but something in us
> follows her every movement, every notes of the music, every fluctuation in
> her breath, and her every words that we no longer understand because we have
> ceased to read the supertitles.
>
> So Musetta has left Marcello for a better life; she is not responsible. At
> least, watching her, listening to her, singing As I walk through the
> streets, people stop to look at me..., listening to her exult her beauty, we
> are made to understand that she deserved then a better life, and that now
> Marcello has no choice but to accept her return to a wretched life with
> love. Musetta does not have to apologize. Musetta does not live with the
> same guilt and bonds as the other girls. For when she walks through the
> streets, people stop to look at her. For her beauty is supreme, and for
> Puccini gave to her the most beautiful piece of music. She is become a star,
> as did the legendary maiden of the mythical times by Zeus's love for them.
> Shyness is foreign to beautiful Musetta, and she does not beg for anyone's
> love. How wonderful is Musetta, that she does not beg for anyone's love!
> That is why we love her so, for she is the embodiment of the pleasure
> principle. Musetta is what the ancients called Eros.
>
> I do not like Mimi. She is weak and she is dying. Every note she sings reeks
> of impending doom, and her innocence is frightfully prophetic. Mimi's
> reunion with Rodolfo is pathetic, while Musetta's reunion with Marcello is
> sublime. Mimi can tell us over and over how she loves flowers, but until she
> learns to love herself, she will never be quite like Musetta, and she will
> continue to die over and over again at the end of the fourth act, so that
> Rodolfo can cry for her, so that Colline can pawn his coat for her, and so
> that Musetta may buy her a cuff.
>
> Same is with Violetta. Who can admire a woman who will give her and her
> lover's happiness so that some unknown tramp may marry some insignificant
> boy? Violetta is at her best when she is debating with herself whether she
> deserves to be happy or not. Musetta would debate with herself whether
> others deserve to be happy at the same time as her. Any expression of joy
> that escapes from Violetta's tragical lips seems feigned; any possibility of
> triumph in life is weighed down by the tragedy inherent in her incurable and
> ever present disease.
>
> Carmen I like, but she still is not Musetta's equal in radiance. Carmen,
> like Musetta, have a flawlessly falstaffian attitude toward life. Her mezzo
> is dark and resonant and she has quite possibly the two most beautiful mezzo
> arias (on second thought, that isn't possible, for Rossini has lived). But
> Carmen is an idealist. She is not above dying to make a point, and she at
> the end lets poor Don Jose stab her in order to show that her freedom is
> absolute. In that way, Carmen, too, is diseased, although not with
> consumption as is fashionable among sopranos (for she is a mezzo) but with a
> naive idealism. And in addition to all that, she has no recitative.
>
> La Boheme is an ensemble piece, with Rodolfo and Mimi as its hero and
> heroine. But neither Rodolfo nor Mimi, both of which are very fascinating
> and gripping characters, are allowed to dominate the opera, as Musetta, by
> her brief appearances, wrestles the plot from underneath them. The greatest
> crime ever committed by a man in this century maybe by Puccini, Giacosa, and
> Illica, when they would not more fully exploit Musetta's character. However,
> one must first understand that it is an enormous imaginative burden to
> create and sustain a character like Musetta, or Sancho Panza, or Falstaff.
> That is a feat seldom done, and even more seldom repeated. Meanwhile, what
> we have of Musetta is enough to make us love her. In that moment when
> Musetta sing what we now call Musetta's waltz, we have a glimpse of a soul
> that knows neither boundaries nor apologies. We see in Musetta the
> possibilities that is inherent in life.
>
> -----------------------------------------
>
> His next FAQ was: "How do the dogs do on the boat? How do they relieve
> themselves?" But lets not get into that right now. Back to MUSETTA, I must
> say that Mr X's answer discouraged me somewhat from choosing an operatic
> name. It seems like a huge responsibility - maybe more than I can handle. I
> hadn't really thought about the P.R. aspect of it. It now seems obvious that
> people will ask me why did you choose, say, MADAME SILBERKLANG, that it
> would behoove me to have a long fascinating backstory about that riveting
> event. The problem with that is that over time, when a newbie asks THE
> question, there will be others present who have already heard the story a
> sickening number of times and will surely vomit if they have to hear it
> again. Maybe I should just name it AUNT TILLY and move on. But I do find
> FIDELIA tempting - so very tempting . . GRIMGERDE too.
>
> ljo, wrestling with the big questions . .

Perhaps call it Waiting for Isolde
or, Manon, or, who is the woman from Il Tabarro?

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On Jun 29, 8:12 pm, "ljo" <seniorcubrepor... DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote:
+ I have been restoring an oldish sailboat for some little while and
am almost
+ finished. It seems proper to give her a nice shiny new name and I
have been
+ considering opera character names as possibilities.

Naïna from "Ruslan and Lyudmila". She lures worthy knights from
important quests by enticing them to short-lived pleasures. The
knights thought they were having a good time, though.

+ people will ask me why did you choose, say, MADAME SILBERKLANG, that
it
+ event. The problem with that is that over time, when a newbie asks
THE
+ question, there will be others present who have already heard the
story a
+ sickening number of times and will surely vomit if they have to hear
it
+ again.

Newbie's also face the danger of a semi-regular dragging out a joke he
never tires of to explain the name. Maybe RMO needs a FAQ warning new
participants that there is no manatee in "Lohengrin".
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:21 am
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"Mark" <mark.clavecin RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jun 29, 9:12 pm, "ljo" <seniorcubrepor... RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote:

>>
>> ljo, wrestling with the big questions . .
>
> Perhaps call it Waiting for Isolde
> or, Manon, or, who is the woman from Il Tabarro?
>

Mr. X is fun on Musetta, not so great on Mimi and Violetta.

When I had a cabin at Russian River, I called it Kareol, but then I ran out
of money, obviously not a prob for Tristan, so I moved back to San
Francisco.

My 24' sloop was called Amethyst.

I vote for Aunt Tilly, though Madame Silberklang would work if the boat is
like that.

What DO dogs do on a sailboat, Mr. LJO? I never tried taking mine onboard.

Best wishes on your upcoming birthday.

Sincerely,

dav, all hyped from Iphigenie, last night of the season (for me)
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:24 am
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"Tom White" <tomina....DeleteThis@bulldogcountry.com> wrote in message
> Newbie's also face the danger of a semi-regular dragging out a joke he
> never tires of to explain the name. Maybe RMO needs a FAQ warning new
> participants that there is no manatee in "Lohengrin".

On Jun 30, 10:32 am, "ljo" <seniorcubrepor....DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
> There isn't?

There almost was; it got sick during the last dress rehearsal. Out of
gratitude for her cleaning up the stage, the company allowed Cheryl
Studer to fill in.

(Hold your fire; I love Cheryl in the DVDs I have of her.)
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:16 am
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On Jun 30, 11:31 am, "REG" <Richer....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Why do I think this isn't the end of this thread?

If it's optimism, then it's of a kind with Cheryl exclaiming "Great!
I've been wanting to try out my
new mop and pail!"
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:03 pm
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Dav wrote:

> Mr. X is fun on Musetta, not so great on Mimi and Violetta.
>

Good observation. I just realized that I misattributed the Mimi/Violetta
part to Mr X whereas he was actually quoting one Christopher Lee. Whether
this was the noted actor, Christopher Frank Carandini Lee, I cannot say. But
while trying to find that out I accidentally learned that his (the actor)
great grandmother, Marie Canandini, was quite a well known opera singer in
Australia.

> When I had a cabin at Russian River, I called it Kareol, but then I ran
> out of money, obviously not a prob for Tristan, so I moved back to San
> Francisco.
>

As between a frowsty castle in Brittany and a cabin on the Russian River
I'll take the latter every time. It was one of my favorite places to visit
when I lived in Ukiah.


> My 24' sloop was called Amethyst.
>
> I vote for Aunt Tilly, though Madame Silberklang would work if the boat is
> like that.
>

Too many letters, actually. Sign painters are expensive. Maybe I'll settle
on RIO which was the name of my very first sailboat these many decades ago.

> What DO dogs do on a sailboat, Mr. LJO? I never tried taking mine onboard.
>

In the words of Mr X:
Abbie and Lucky are veteran cruisers, as they cruised with us to Mexico in
the fall of 2003. They are slowly re-adjusting to the boating life, although
they are now a bit more arthritic, slow, and get cold more easily. Abbie is
a natural sailor; she sleeps all day, and when we tack, she simply moves to
the leeward side of the boat. Lucky still gets a little restless, and needs
"reassuring" more often; he also tends to sea-sickness. We give him the same
medication we take for sea-sickness, Stugeron, and he does fine. We also
have beef-flavored treats made wtih valerian root and chamomile to relax
him, as well as Rescue Remedy. When the seas are rougher, we put their boat
shoes on so they have better traction when getting around the boat, though
often they like to sleep below instead of in the cockpit. Abbie spreads out
in the salon, and Lucky curls up in a tight corner of the aft stateroom.They
have both learned to go potty on command, and will usually go on deck when
we tell them to. Abbie goes by herself, but Lucky likes to have one of us go
along with him - it's scary up there on the foredeck! When they have
finished, we wash it down, or pick it up with a plastic bag and dispose of
it with the other garbage, depending on where we are.

> Best wishes on your upcoming birthday.
>

Very kind of you to remember that. Thanks.

ljo

Ps: I like AMETHYST.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:31 pm
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Why do I think this isn't the end of this thread?

"Tom White" <tominator DeleteThis @bulldogcountry.com> wrote in message
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> "Tom White" <tomina... DeleteThis @bulldogcountry.com> wrote in message
>> Newbie's also face the danger of a semi-regular dragging out a joke he
>> never tires of to explain the name. Maybe RMO needs a FAQ warning new
>> participants that there is no manatee in "Lohengrin".
>
> On Jun 30, 10:32 am, "ljo" <seniorcubrepor... DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote:
>> There isn't?
>
> There almost was; it got sick during the last dress rehearsal. Out of
> gratitude for her cleaning up the stage, the company allowed Cheryl
> Studer to fill in.
>
> (Hold your fire; I love Cheryl in the DVDs I have of her.)
>
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 3:32 pm
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"Tom White" <tominator RemoveThis @bulldogcountry.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 29, 8:12 pm, "ljo" <seniorcubrepor... RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote:
+ I have been restoring an oldish sailboat for some little while and
am almost
+ finished. It seems proper to give her a nice shiny new name and I
have been
+ considering opera character names as possibilities.

Naïna from "Ruslan and Lyudmila". She lures worthy knights from
important quests by enticing them to short-lived pleasures. The
knights thought they were having a good time, though.

+ people will ask me why did you choose, say, MADAME SILBERKLANG, that
it
+ event. The problem with that is that over time, when a newbie asks
THE
+ question, there will be others present who have already heard the
story a
+ sickening number of times and will surely vomit if they have to hear
it
+ again.

Newbie's also face the danger of a semi-regular dragging out a joke he
never tires of to explain the name. Maybe RMO needs a FAQ warning new
participants that there is no manatee in "Lohengrin". >

There isn't?
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:27 pm
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My daughter was sailing in Maine the summer before she began graduate
work. She was of course a teaching assistant, with Freshman English
classes to prepare for, and she was quite worried about it.

She went aboard a boat at Vinal Haven and chatted up the skipper, who
gave her this excellent advice: "Just remember, anything you say will
be news to them."

The boat's name was Cherubino.

Blue skies! -- Dan Ford

Claire Chennault and His American Volunteers, 1941-1942
forthcoming from HarperCollins www.flyingtigersbook.com
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"Cubdriver" <usenet AT danford DOT net> wrote in message
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>
> My daughter was sailing in Maine the summer before she began graduate
> work. She was of course a teaching assistant, with Freshman English
> classes to prepare for, and she was quite worried about it.
>
> She went aboard a boat at Vinal Haven and chatted up the skipper, who
> gave her this excellent advice: "Just remember, anything you say will
> be news to them."
>
> The boat's name was Cherubino.
>

Cool. Linking that a bit further, there is in New Jersey a manufacturer of
fine sailboats called Cherubini Yachts. Whether these Cherubinis are related
to
Maria Luigi Carlo Zenobio Salvatore Cherubini of Florence I cannot say.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:28 am
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"Whether these Cherubinis are related to Maria Luigi Carlo Zenobio Salvatore
Cherubini of Florence I cannot say."

As opposed to the Maria Luigi Carlo Zenobio Salvatore Cherubini of Bari ?

SJDELPQT

PS. Why not call it "Molly Eyre", after the French playwright .....
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"Stephen Jay-Taylor" <sjaytaylor RemoveThis @btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> "Whether these Cherubinis are related to Maria Luigi Carlo Zenobio
> Salvatore Cherubini of Florence I cannot say."
>
> As opposed to the Maria Luigi Carlo Zenobio Salvatore Cherubini of Bari ?
>

Exactly, as well as the Maria Luigi Carlo Zenobio Salvatore Cherubini of
Altamura. In Italy, there are more Maria Luigi Carlo Zenobio Salvatore
Cherubinis than you can shake your stick at.

> SJDELPQT
>
> PS. Why not call it "Molly Eyre", after the French playwright ..... >

I'd sooner name it the OSIE HAWKINS.
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I'd always thought you might have had a boat called the Jean-Christophe
(seriously), but I could have been wrong.

I suppose it would be bad luck to name a boat anything like the McCracken?


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> "Stephen Jay-Taylor" <sjaytaylor RemoveThis @btinternet.com> wrote in message
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>> "Whether these Cherubinis are related to Maria Luigi Carlo Zenobio
>> Salvatore Cherubini of Florence I cannot say."
>>
>> As opposed to the Maria Luigi Carlo Zenobio Salvatore Cherubini of Bari ?
>>
>
> Exactly, as well as the Maria Luigi Carlo Zenobio Salvatore Cherubini of
> Altamura. In Italy, there are more Maria Luigi Carlo Zenobio Salvatore
> Cherubinis than you can shake your stick at.
>
>> SJDELPQT
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>> PS. Why not call it "Molly Eyre", after the French playwright ..... >
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> I'd sooner name it the OSIE HAWKINS.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:08 pm
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"I suppose it would be bad luck to name a boat anything like the McCracken?"


I have this sinking feeling.......

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