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Since: Jul 07, 2005 Posts: 3595
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:38 am
Post subject: Myslevicek Il Divino Boemo
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I am not sure if this has been reviewed here before, but it's an Archiv
recording from about a year ago recorded by the forces of the Concerto Koln
under Werner Ehrhardt (wasn't he the guy who developed EST? He really gets
around; I guess if you call them, they will come).
Anyway, it's a completely wonderful recording of operatic overtures,
symphonies (as it were at the time) and pieces for mixed strings and winds,
and it's one of the most enjoyable orchestral discs I've listened to in a
long while. If Boccherini was described as the Wife of Haydn (although I'm
sure his intentions were honorable), Myslevicek's style could best be
described as the Older Brother of Mozart -although in his personal life he
ended up a little more like Eddie Haskil. There is a lovely lyricism about
these works, and the line is not a short one - he seems able to develope
melodies, if not in the more expansive way that the 'mature' Mozart would
enjoy, at least beyond the more limited scope of CPE Bach and the Rococco.
There's something to me of the Mannheim School in his music, but it's not
entirely Mannheim (which I tend to think of as associated with a lot of
'effects'), and so he seems in a way a transitional figure between early to
middle Haydn and the later classical school. But you can forget all that and
just enjoy lovely wind and string 'chamber music', beautifully played and
recorded.
He wrote about 50 operas, and I have one, which has been recorded several
times (Arbramo and Isacco, I have the earlier and I think somewhat
incomplete recording on Bonton), and his operatic works pop up from time to
time in performance and on recordings. I must say that I find these
orchestral works more engaging - there's something a little bit limited in
scope in Abramo, and it reminds you of the lesser Haydn, or perhaps of
Galuppi - Italianate and rather short in melodic scope and character
development. I know much better some of his breathtaking partitas and
notturnos for voice and strings that appeared many years ago on Crossroads
LP and are a treasured possession, and have one of the discs of his violin
sonatas recently issued, which again seems a bit limited in scope.
Some of the variability in his output may be because he did so much so
early, and died pretty early (though he was not the genius that Mozart was,
not the kind of slower, more mature developer that Haydb was). He died
pretty young, in his early 40s, of a botched operation for syphilis, and was
close to the Mozart family and an influence, apparently, on early Mozart,
more through Leopold I think than through fils. He was apparently a
ladykiller and man about town, but his reach exceded his grasp in a number
of ways and he ended up poor and out of favor with opera houses. There's
apparently been an opera written about him at the turn of the last century
by Suda (??) which I don't know.
In any case, this disc is well worth picking up. >> Stay informed about: Myslevicek Il Divino Boemo |
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Since: Jun 28, 2007 Posts: 1
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 3:41 am
Post subject: Re: Myslevicek Il Divino Boemo [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 27 Jun., 13:38, "REG" wrote:
> He wrote about 50 operas, and I have one, which has been recorded several
> times (Arbramo and Isacco, I have the earlier and I think somewhat
> incomplete recording on Bonton)
First it is Myslivecek, second it is "Abramo ed Isacco", third it is
an oratorio, not an opera.
As an opera I have "Il Bellerofonte" with a rather interesting cast
(Raul Gimenez, among others), but unfortunately Zoltan Pesko conducts
with a leaden baton and doesn't seem to approve any ornamentation
(give me Muti any time!)
A couple of arias by Myslivecek are to be found in Magdalena Kozena's
CD "Le Belle immagini", among arias by Gluck and Mozart. Ms Kozena was
reported to record an all-Myslivecek CD but probably the marketing
staff of DGG imposed some less obscure composers. Anyway this CD is
highly recommandable.
th. >> Stay informed about: Myslevicek Il Divino Boemo |
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Since: Jul 07, 2005 Posts: 3595
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 7:55 am
Post subject: Re: Myslevicek Il Divino Boemo [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Thanks for your typical small-minded comments. Actually, the recording I
have titles it as "Abramo e Issaco", as do various articles on the piece. It
was originally entitled "Issac, the Image of a Redeemer" at the time of its
premier in 1776, and the change to "Abramo e Issaco" only occured the
following year, following performances in Munich and then in 1778 in Prague.
Additionally, it's called variously as a sacred opera and an opera seria
even, but noting that it's an 'oratorio' as opposed to an sacred opera is
irrelevant.
Finally, there appears to be an accent over the "c" in Myslivacek's name,
which you've omitted unaccountably for a man of your discernment.
I appreciate your speculations on the motivations of DGG.
"thierry" wrote in message
> On 27 Jun., 13:38, "REG" wrote:
>
>> He wrote about 50 operas, and I have one, which has been recorded several
>> times (Arbramo and Isacco, I have the earlier and I think somewhat
>> incomplete recording on Bonton)
>
>
> First it is Myslivecek, second it is "Abramo ed Isacco", third it is
> an oratorio, not an opera.
>
> As an opera I have "Il Bellerofonte" with a rather interesting cast
> (Raul Gimenez, among others), but unfortunately Zoltan Pesko conducts
> with a leaden baton and doesn't seem to approve any ornamentation
> (give me Muti any time!)
>
> A couple of arias by Myslivecek are to be found in Magdalena Kozena's
> CD "Le Belle immagini", among arias by Gluck and Mozart. Ms Kozena was
> reported to record an all-Myslivecek CD but probably the marketing
> staff of DGG imposed some less obscure composers. Anyway this CD is
> highly recommandable.
>
> th.
>
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Since: Jun 04, 2007 Posts: 57
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 3:34 pm
Post subject: Re: Myslevicek Il Divino Boemo [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Jun 28, 12:55 pm, "REG" wrote:
> Thanks for your typical small-minded comments. Actually, the recording I
> have titles it as "Abramo e Issaco", as do various articles on the piece. It
> was originally entitled "Issac, the Image of a Redeemer" at the time of its
> premier in 1776, and the change to "Abramo e Issaco" only occured the
> following year, following performances in Munich and then in 1778 in Prague.
>
> Additionally, it's called variously as a sacred opera and an opera seria
> even, but noting that it's an 'oratorio' as opposed to an sacred opera is
> irrelevant.
>
> Finally, there appears to be an accent over the "c" in Myslivacek's name,
> which you've omitted unaccountably for a man of your discernment.
>
> I appreciate your speculations on the motivations of DGG.
>
> "thierry" wrote in message
>
>
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>
>
> > On 27 Jun., 13:38, "REG" wrote:
>
> >> He wrote about 50 operas, and I have one, which has been recorded several
> >> times (Arbramo and Isacco, I have the earlier and I think somewhat
> >> incomplete recording on Bonton)
>
> > First it is Myslivecek, second it is "Abramo ed Isacco", third it is
> > an oratorio, not an opera.
>
> > As an opera I have "Il Bellerofonte" with a rather interesting cast
> > (Raul Gimenez, among others), but unfortunately Zoltan Pesko conducts
> > with a leaden baton and doesn't seem to approve any ornamentation
> > (give me Muti any time!)
>
> > A couple of arias by Myslivecek are to be found in Magdalena Kozena's
> > CD "Le Belle immagini", among arias by Gluck and Mozart. Ms Kozena was
> > reported to record an all-Myslivecek CD but probably the marketing
> > staff of DGG imposed some less obscure composers. Anyway this CD is
> > highly recommandable.
>
> > th.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
It is a very fine album as you suggest. The arrangements of Josef
Myslive ek are by the Brno conductor Václav Nosek who, although little
known, was something of a scholar regarding Myslive ek and was an
influence on Ms K.
He mounted a number of concert performances of the composer. She,
too, as you will know is a Brno girl and studied there.
Another of her interests, and even less likely for DGG I would think,
lies in the songs of Jan Vaclav Vorisek (1791-1825).
Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins >> Stay informed about: Myslevicek Il Divino Boemo |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 1:18 pm
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On Jun 28, 11:34?pm, "alanwatkin...@aol.com"
wrote:
> On Jun 28, 12:55 pm, "REG" wrote:
>
>
>
>
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> > Thanks for your typical small-minded comments. Actually, the recording I
> > have titles it as "Abramo e Issaco", as do various articles on the piece. It
> > was originally entitled "Issac, the Image of a Redeemer" at the time of its
> > premier in 1776, and the change to "Abramo e Issaco" only occured the
> > following year, following performances in Munich and then in 1778 in Prague.
>
> > Additionally, it's called variously as a sacred opera and an opera seria
> > even, but noting that it's an 'oratorio' as opposed to an sacred opera is
> > irrelevant.
>
> > Finally, there appears to be an accent over the "c" in Myslivacek's name,
> > which you've omitted unaccountably for a man of your discernment.
>
> > I appreciate your speculations on the motivations of DGG.
>
> > "thierry" wrote in message
>
> >
>
> > > On 27 Jun., 13:38, "REG" wrote:
>
> > >> He wrote about 50 operas, and I have one, which has been recorded several
> > >> times (Arbramo and Isacco, I have the earlier and I think somewhat
> > >> incomplete recording on Bonton)
>
> > > First it is Myslivecek, second it is "Abramo ed Isacco", third it is
> > > an oratorio, not an opera.
>
> > > As an opera I have "Il Bellerofonte" with a rather interesting cast
> > > (Raul Gimenez, among others), but unfortunately Zoltan Pesko conducts
> > > with a leaden baton and doesn't seem to approve any ornamentation
> > > (give me Muti any time!)
>
> > > A couple of arias by Myslivecek are to be found in Magdalena Kozena's
> > > CD "Le Belle immagini", among arias by Gluck and Mozart. Ms Kozena was
> > > reported to record an all-Myslivecek CD but probably the marketing
> > > staff of DGG imposed some less obscure composers. Anyway this CD is
> > > highly recommandable.
>
> > > th.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> It is a very fine album as you suggest. The arrangements of Josef
> Myslive ek are by the Brno conductor V clav Nosek who, although little
> known, was something of a scholar regarding Myslive ek and was an
> influence on Ms K.
> He mounted a number of concert performances of the composer. She,
> too, as you will know is a Brno girl and studied there.
>
> Another of her interests, and even less likely for DGG I would think,
> lies in the songs of Jan Vaclav Vorisek (1791-1825).
>
> Kind regards,
> Alan M. Watkins- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -
PS: Could I point out that his harpsichord solo writing is far closer
to Scarlatti, Soler and Couperin le Grand than the Mannheim lot?
Six Sonatas for Harpsichord are magnificent although each in two
movements only but often requiring virtuoso playing. Spectacularly
enjoyable.
If you should chance across the LP on Supraphon 1111 3728 snap it up!
Magnificent music, magnificently played by Josef Hala, a very great
player of the instrument. It will lift your spirits! It's one of the
great harpsichord recordings that I have heard over the years.
Mr Hala spectacular in recital and also on this recording.
Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins >> Stay informed about: Myslevicek Il Divino Boemo |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:57 pm
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On Jun 29, 11:08?pm, "REG" wrote:
> If I promise to try to find the recording, you have to promise to respond to
> the post I'm going to put up somewhere about my idiosyncratic reactions
> (good reactions, not bad) to the Makropoulos Affair in the next day or so.
>
> That's the bargain :} wrote in message
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>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 28, 11:34?pm, "alanwatkin...@aol.com"
> > wrote:
> >> On Jun 28, 12:55 pm, "REG" wrote:
>
> >> > Thanks for your typical small-minded comments. Actually, the recording
> >> > I
> >> > have titles it as "Abramo e Issaco", as do various articles on the
> >> > piece. It
> >> > was originally entitled "Issac, the Image of a Redeemer" at the time of
> >> > its
> >> > premier in 1776, and the change to "Abramo e Issaco" only occured the
> >> > following year, following performances in Munich and then in 1778 in
> >> > Prague.
>
> >> > Additionally, it's called variously as a sacred opera and an opera
> >> > seria
> >> > even, but noting that it's an 'oratorio' as opposed to an sacred opera
> >> > is
> >> > irrelevant.
>
> >> > Finally, there appears to be an accent over the "c" in Myslivacek's
> >> > name,
> >> > which you've omitted unaccountably for a man of your discernment.
>
> >> > I appreciate your speculations on the motivations of DGG.
>
> >> > "thierry" wrote in message
>
> >> >
>
> >> > > On 27 Jun., 13:38, "REG" wrote:
>
> >> > >> He wrote about 50 operas, and I have one, which has been recorded
> >> > >> several
> >> > >> times (Arbramo and Isacco, I have the earlier and I think somewhat
> >> > >> incomplete recording on Bonton)
>
> >> > > First it is Myslivecek, second it is "Abramo ed Isacco", third it is
> >> > > an oratorio, not an opera.
>
> >> > > As an opera I have "Il Bellerofonte" with a rather interesting cast
> >> > > (Raul Gimenez, among others), but unfortunately Zoltan Pesko conducts
> >> > > with a leaden baton and doesn't seem to approve any ornamentation
> >> > > (give me Muti any time!)
>
> >> > > A couple of arias by Myslivecek are to be found in Magdalena Kozena's
> >> > > CD "Le Belle immagini", among arias by Gluck and Mozart. Ms Kozena
> >> > > was
> >> > > reported to record an all-Myslivecek CD but probably the marketing
> >> > > staff of DGG imposed some less obscure composers. Anyway this CD is
> >> > > highly recommandable.
>
> >> > > th.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> > - Show quoted text -
>
> >> It is a very fine album as you suggest. The arrangements of Josef
> >> Myslive ek are by the Brno conductor V clav Nosek who, although little
> >> known, was something of a scholar regarding Myslive ek and was an
> >> influence on Ms K.
> >> He mounted a number of concert performances of the composer. She,
> >> too, as you will know is a Brno girl and studied there.
>
> >> Another of her interests, and even less likely for DGG I would think,
> >> lies in the songs of Jan Vaclav Vorisek (1791-1825).
>
> >> Kind regards,
> >> Alan M. Watkins- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > PS: Could I point out that his harpsichord solo writing is far closer
> > to Scarlatti, Soler and Couperin le Grand than the Mannheim lot?
>
> > Six Sonatas for Harpsichord are magnificent although each in two
> > movements only but often requiring virtuoso playing. Spectacularly
> > enjoyable.
>
> > If you should chance across the LP on Supraphon 1111 3728 snap it up!
> > Magnificent music, magnificently played by Josef Hala, a very great
> > player of the instrument. It will lift your spirits! It's one of the
> > great harpsichord recordings that I have heard over the years.
>
> > Mr Hala spectacular in recital and also on this recording.
>
> > Kind regards,
> > Alan M. Watkins- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I would respond to MA for good or bad almost certainly so carry on.
You do not have to seek out Mr Hala although, if you don't, you will
miss out on a wonderful player whose articulation on this treacherous
instrument is truly something to behold.
I know some think the harpsichord a dull or boring instrument
(Beecham: skeletons copulating on a tin roof) but that's not so if you
hear the really great players of which Josef Hala is truly one.
Harpsichordists can't hide behind pedal wash as many pianists do for a
living. There isn't any wash. It is all totally exposed.
See also continuo players in opera where they often have to make up
the notes as well...................
Oh, never mind.
Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins >> Stay informed about: Myslevicek Il Divino Boemo |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 6:08 pm
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If I promise to try to find the recording, you have to promise to respond to
the post I'm going to put up somewhere about my idiosyncratic reactions
(good reactions, not bad) to the Makropoulos Affair in the next day or so.
That's the bargain :}
wrote in message
> On Jun 28, 11:34?pm, "alanwatkin...@aol.com"
> wrote:
>> On Jun 28, 12:55 pm, "REG" wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Thanks for your typical small-minded comments. Actually, the recording
>> > I
>> > have titles it as "Abramo e Issaco", as do various articles on the
>> > piece. It
>> > was originally entitled "Issac, the Image of a Redeemer" at the time of
>> > its
>> > premier in 1776, and the change to "Abramo e Issaco" only occured the
>> > following year, following performances in Munich and then in 1778 in
>> > Prague.
>>
>> > Additionally, it's called variously as a sacred opera and an opera
>> > seria
>> > even, but noting that it's an 'oratorio' as opposed to an sacred opera
>> > is
>> > irrelevant.
>>
>> > Finally, there appears to be an accent over the "c" in Myslivacek's
>> > name,
>> > which you've omitted unaccountably for a man of your discernment.
>>
>> > I appreciate your speculations on the motivations of DGG.
>>
>> > "thierry" wrote in message
>>
>> >
>>
>> > > On 27 Jun., 13:38, "REG" wrote:
>>
>> > >> He wrote about 50 operas, and I have one, which has been recorded
>> > >> several
>> > >> times (Arbramo and Isacco, I have the earlier and I think somewhat
>> > >> incomplete recording on Bonton)
>>
>> > > First it is Myslivecek, second it is "Abramo ed Isacco", third it is
>> > > an oratorio, not an opera.
>>
>> > > As an opera I have "Il Bellerofonte" with a rather interesting cast
>> > > (Raul Gimenez, among others), but unfortunately Zoltan Pesko conducts
>> > > with a leaden baton and doesn't seem to approve any ornamentation
>> > > (give me Muti any time!)
>>
>> > > A couple of arias by Myslivecek are to be found in Magdalena Kozena's
>> > > CD "Le Belle immagini", among arias by Gluck and Mozart. Ms Kozena
>> > > was
>> > > reported to record an all-Myslivecek CD but probably the marketing
>> > > staff of DGG imposed some less obscure composers. Anyway this CD is
>> > > highly recommandable.
>>
>> > > th.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> It is a very fine album as you suggest. The arrangements of Josef
>> Myslive ek are by the Brno conductor V clav Nosek who, although little
>> known, was something of a scholar regarding Myslive ek and was an
>> influence on Ms K.
>> He mounted a number of concert performances of the composer. She,
>> too, as you will know is a Brno girl and studied there.
>>
>> Another of her interests, and even less likely for DGG I would think,
>> lies in the songs of Jan Vaclav Vorisek (1791-1825).
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Alan M. Watkins- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> PS: Could I point out that his harpsichord solo writing is far closer
> to Scarlatti, Soler and Couperin le Grand than the Mannheim lot?
>
> Six Sonatas for Harpsichord are magnificent although each in two
> movements only but often requiring virtuoso playing. Spectacularly
> enjoyable.
>
> If you should chance across the LP on Supraphon 1111 3728 snap it up!
> Magnificent music, magnificently played by Josef Hala, a very great
> player of the instrument. It will lift your spirits! It's one of the
> great harpsichord recordings that I have heard over the years.
>
> Mr Hala spectacular in recital and also on this recording.
>
> Kind regards,
> Alan M. Watkins
>
> >> Stay informed about: Myslevicek Il Divino Boemo |
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