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Since: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 9
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:31 am
Post subject: d'Arkor's C in Salut demeure (Faust) Archived from groups: rec>music>opera (more info?)
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here is a question for the musicologists aand singers among you
in his recording of this aria Andre d'Arkor sings , at the High C
section, ou la presence se divine, instead of ou se divine la
presence
why did he change it round. was it a mistake. surely he did not prefer
to tackle the top note on an ee vowel instead of the much easier ah or
the French en??? >> Stay informed about: d'Arkor's C in Salut demeure (Faust) |
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Since: Sep 07, 2006 Posts: 137
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:56 am
Post subject: Re: d'Arkor's C in Salut demeure (Faust) [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Charlie operaphile schrieb:
> here is a question for the musicologists aand singers among you
> in his recording of this aria Andre d'Arkor sings , at the High C
> section, ou la presence se divine, instead of ou se divine la
> presence
> why did he change it round. was it a mistake. surely he did not prefer
> to tackle the top note on an ee vowel instead of the much easier ah or
> the French en???
d' Arkor is not the only one to do it.
Micheletti sings it also this way in what is considered by many one of
the top recordings of this aria.
The reason may be a prosodic one. "devine" rhymes with "divine" .
The original verses are
Salut, demeure chaste et pure où se devine
La présence d' une âme innocente et divine
2 alexandrins
Gounod broke them into 3 octosyllables:
Salut, demeure chaste et pure
Où se devine la présence
D' une âme innocente et divine.
thus cancelling the rhyme.
Some singers, or publishers, may have thought that a rhyme was needed
at the end of the aria and reversed the order to have "divine " rhyming
with "devine" again.
th. >> Stay informed about: d'Arkor's C in Salut demeure (Faust) |
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Since: Aug 02, 2005 Posts: 238
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 5:28 pm
Post subject: Re: d'Arkor's C in Salut demeure (Faust) [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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"Charlie operaphile" wrote in message
> here is a question for the musicologists aand singers among you
> in his recording of this aria Andre d'Arkor sings , at the High C
> section, ou la presence se divine, instead of ou se divine la
> presence
> why did he change it round. was it a mistake. surely he did not prefer
> to tackle the top note on an ee vowel instead of the much easier ah or
> the French en???
>
I don't know why he did it, but I would respectfully disagree that the ee
vowel is more difficult than any other - certainly not for a singer of
d'Arkor's expertise. Beginners and singers with faulty techniques, in
general, might find it more difficult. But d'Arkor? Very doubtful imo. >> Stay informed about: d'Arkor's C in Salut demeure (Faust) |
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Since: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 9
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:22 am
Post subject: Re: d'Arkor's C in Salut demeure (Faust) [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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thierrybaer RemoveThis @googlemail.com wrote:
> Charlie operaphile schrieb:
>
> > here is a question for the musicologists aand singers among you
> > in his recording of this aria Andre d'Arkor sings , at the High C
> > section, ou la presence se divine, instead of ou se divine la
> > presence
> > why did he change it round. was it a mistake. surely he did not prefer
> > to tackle the top note on an ee vowel instead of the much easier ah or
> > the French en???
>
> d' Arkor is not the only one to do it.
> Micheletti sings it also this way in what is considered by many one of
> the top recordings of this aria.
> The reason may be a prosodic one. "devine" rhymes with "divine" .
>
> The original verses are
>
> Salut, demeure chaste et pure où se devine
> La présence d' une âme innocente et divine
>
> 2 alexandrins
>
> Gounod broke them into 3 octosyllables:
>
> Salut, demeure chaste et pure
> Où se devine la présence
> D' une âme innocente et divine.
>
> thus cancelling the rhyme.
>
> Some singers, or publishers, may have thought that a rhyme was needed
> at the end of the aria and reversed the order to have "divine " rhyming
> with "devine" again.
>
> th.
Many thanks for your marvellously knowledgeable responses, people. I
mean that sincerely (i do not do sarcasm). >> Stay informed about: d'Arkor's C in Salut demeure (Faust) |
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Since: Mar 10, 2006 Posts: 4
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:33 am
Post subject: Re: d'Arkor's C in Salut demeure (Faust) [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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The "ee" would be easier to produce, for me and most tenors I know. I
had to work long and hard to get that "ah" vowel to sit right on the
high C in that piece. "Eh" is probably the easiest vowel on high C for
most tenors. For most sopranos, though, "ah" or "uh" is much easier
than "ee" when singing above the staff.
S.T.
Charlie operaphile wrote:
> here is a question for the musicologists aand singers among you
> in his recording of this aria Andre d'Arkor sings , at the High C
> section, ou la presence se divine, instead of ou se divine la
> presence
> why did he change it round. was it a mistake. surely he did not prefer
> to tackle the top note on an ee vowel instead of the much easier ah or
> the French en??? >> Stay informed about: d'Arkor's C in Salut demeure (Faust) |
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